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A lot of people say it is correct to call with anything in the big blind if everybody’s in and you know it will not cost you anymore to call before the flop. I usually will up my standards but will still not call with complete rags. But it does only cost 1 more bet to potentially win 18 bets. Is it correct to call with a rag like 7-4, 8-3 or even 7-2?

Answer 1:

In a word, No! The pot has been raised. What do you hope to make with 7-2? The only safe flops for this hand with the whole field in are 777 or 222. The likelihood of these flops coming does not warrant even one more bet. Mike Caro doesn’t even recommend calling 1/2 of a bet (in the small blind) with the whole field in with these hopeless hands. If the hand was suited, I would call but proceed with extreme caution. You need to flop a flush or three of a kind to go beyond the flop. Even then, you may make a hand and lose a lot of chips. Your position is terrible and your hand is relatively weak.

Answer 2:

7-4, absolutely!  7-2 and 8-3 only if they are suited, otherwise you’ll need the entire field to make it profitable. I see average players routinely much 7-4, 6-8, or even 7-8 in the big blind to a raise, that’s weak poker. Your pot odds are way too good in the big blind to fold connected cards. Example, player raises in late position and all fold to you in big blind, you hold 4-6 off-suit. In most limit games you’ll be getting 3.5 to 1 on your call, in 2 and 3 chip blind games you get an even better price. A-K is no 3.5 to 1 favorite, and neither is most of the hands that would be raised, you’d only be a big dog against a big pair. Something to think about, the better the player who raised the less often you should call.  Call all weak players, or maniacs, you may be able to outplay the weak, and check and call the maniac when you flop anything. In multi-way pots you are getting a huge price to try ang get really lucky, just don’t marry a pair of 7′s when you flop it, proceed with caution.

Answer 3:

I assume you’re talking about when the first player in raises, a ton of people call cold, and the action is on you.  Getting 18:1, I would play 7-4 because it can make a straight, but not hands like 8-3 or 7-2 that have nothing going for them. I would also call with any 2 suited cards in that circumstance. This assumes I can outplay my opponents post-flop.

I had been having a slow night. Down $40.00, up $20.00 in a 3-6 Hold’em game. I’m on the button and I have Q-8 diamonds.  Eight players call and I raise. Seven call. The flop comes 7d, 9d and Jc. A female, who I was convinced had been stealing several pots, bet. Four called.  Having both a flush and a straight draw I raised. The turn brought the 5d.  She bet into me, everyone folded and I raised. The river brought the 10c.  She checked I bet. She turned over the Jd and 6d.  I won a nice size pot.  However, I have been wondering about just how vulnerable I was having only a Queen high in that situation.

1.)    Did I over play my hand and simply get lucky?

2.)    Was it a viable hand that was played correctly.

3.)    Could it have been played better.

Answer 1:

Personally I wouldn’t play Q8s, unless in the blinds, for exactly this reason. The best you’re hoping for (other than flopping a boat) is a Q high flush, and so even when you’ve made your hand you still can’t bet it confidently because an A or K high flush might be out there. I think I remember reading somewhere that a J high flush was the ‘average’ flush. Someone out there with a little more knowledge of math might be able to confirm that.

Answer 2:

The answer to the first question is “Absolutely not”. You had a great draw on the flop that almost demanded you raise from the button. And if you’re not going to raise on the turn when you hit your hand, why draw to it in the first place? “Was it a viable hand that was played correctly” was a little more questionable. But if you are going to play a hand like Q-8 suited, the time to do it would be in late position with a lot of limpers already in the pot–and given that those criteria are met (which they were) the right play might be to raise (which you did).  And once you raised pre-flop, you had to play it the way you did (especially considering that you thought your opponent was a habitual bluffer). A “better” play might have been to fold your hand pre-flop. As you realized, your hand easily could have been second-best and ended up
costing you a lot of bets. To play a hand like this pre-flop, you should know your opponents well enough to recognize when you’re up against a better flush and when you’re not and adjust your strategy accordingly. Very good low limit players can show a small profit playing this hand in this situation. Most low limit players are throwing money away every time they play this hand. IMHO.

Answer 3:

I think you played the hand very well. You can raise with just about anything on the button with eight callers in front of you. It’s a nice deception play, and you will have a well-disguised hand (which you did). Maybe somebody can do Turbo sim, but I’m guessing raising on the button with Q8s and 8 callers is a positive expectation play. Your raise on the flop was fine, as was your raise on the turn. Now if you were re-raised on the turn you might want to stop and think. Your bet on the river was automatic. You really couldn’t have played the hand any better.